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Are You an In-Camera or Post-Camera Photographer?

Published 25 May 2007, 05:26 PM

By Wayne Cosshall 

The discussion that followed the Lensbaby review I posted on my site (The Digital Imagemaker) got me thinking about the different ways photographers approach their work. Photographers fall into two main camps: in camera and post camera.

In-camera photographers get their buzz from doing as much as possible at the time of shooting. These photographers love their filters, including things like graduated neutral density filters, unusual lenses, like the Lensbaby. Or, they might smear Vaseline on a skylight filter.

Post-camera photographers like to sit at their computers (or in the darkrooms) and manipulate to their heart’s content. With their bum in a comfortable chair, they work on a nice, big screen, sip a great cup of tea or coffee, and have their favorite music playing in the background. When shooting, they want a clean, optimal image that they can work on later.

The in-camera photographer has no fear of commitment, of trying something and missing the shot. They will risk all for the thrill of the chase at the time of shooting. They seek virtuosity in the moment. This is the thinking of the painter, who must risk destroying a painting by pushing it too far in the quest for an outstanding result. The thinking goes that if you do not risk it all, you will not excel.

Some in-camera photographers may also have a philosophical belief in the ‘purity’ of the image created in camera, the magic of capturing a moment, or a belief that a real photograph is made in the camera. In the analog world such photographers would be willing to scratch their negatives or bubble an SX70 instant print over a candle flame to get the effects they want.

The post-camera photographer craves a straight image they can shape at their leisure into the perfect photograph. They fear committing the image to something that may not work. Their quest is for a more careful virtuosity. The negative is sacred and must not be violated or damaged in any way. The image can be repurposed and massaged as many times as they want. Nothing is committed in a permanent way. In the digital world such photographers will crave information on how to extract that last piece of power out of Photoshop.

Of course the two descriptions above are obviously exaggerations. In reality, most photographers fall somewhere between these two extremes. Many of us grew up on Adams’ The Negative and somehow do feel that the negative is sacred. We regard our RAW digital negatives the same way.

Yet most of us will also make some commitment at the time of shooting that we can’t readily correct, such as a shallow depth of field or some another choice that can limit what we may later do with the image. Perhaps we will compensate for this by shooting many variations.

The way we shoot probably says a lot about our personalities. At one point, I had become fairly cautious about doing things to an image that I could not fix. I broke out of this pattern by taking up watercolor painting, one of the most uncorrectable forms of art practice there is. In a watercolor paining, you must risk all the work you have done every step of the way. One false move can ruin it, yet one bold stroke can make it. Watercolor painting proved to be immensely beneficial to my approach to photography, because it loosened me up to push my photography much further, both in camera and in Photoshop.

This shot was made completely in camera by using a Lensbaby 3G on my infrared converted Canon 350D.















 




Road to Elysium: This composite image is made from 20 to 30 images taken at different times and locations.

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Comments

Hello Wayne. Thank you so much for such interesting article. This is a topic I have been discussing with some friends and that has been hunting me for a while. I feel more confortable with the exact image that the camera takes, but it is true that what our eyes perceives is not what the camera sees. At the end, I twick the images, but always feel like I am cheeting. Nonetheless, I remember the grand photographers of the past that used the dark room to touch photographies. If you have some time, would you mind to comment some more on that. I am a phanatic of photography but still have a lot to learn, mostly in digital photography. Thank you so much again. Marisa from San Antonio.
# Friday, June 01, 2007 03:04 AM by Kraz60
Thanks. Glad it was useful. I've greatly expanded on this topic in an article I have put up on my site: http://www.dimagemaker.com/article.php?articleID=1016 Cheers, Wayne
# Saturday, June 02, 2007 12:23 AM by wcosshall
Hello I too was most interested in your article. I am a railway photographer and much of my work works on a "one-chance shot" thrill of the chase basis. In other words I only have one chance to get that shot and so I have to get it right first time in-camera. I am a "camera person"...I hate sitting at a PC post -processing as I work on a PC all day in my day job. Having said that, I always shoot RAW as JPEGs for me are poor quality...too much sharpening, lack of detail and satuation.
# Saturday, June 02, 2007 08:48 PM by robert7111a
Thank you so much for your fabulous article in dimagemaker. I learnt a lot through it. Hello Robert. Your specialty is really difficult but very interesting. In my case RAW is the opposite. It seems that RAW has less detail, clarity, and vibrance. Even when I adjust the settings afterwards, I cannot get the same as JPEG. I am very puzzled about this. Presently and to keep studying why, I take photos in both formats and then compared them. Maybe I just don't fully understand the technology since I have been historically a film person.
# Sunday, June 03, 2007 03:07 PM by Kraz60
Hi Kraz I don't understand it either. I have never before heard that JPEG is better than RAW. I don't know if it varies on the type of camera used. In your comparisons, have you been shooting Raw and converting to JPEG afterwards and comparing this to shooting a straight JPEG image?
# Sunday, June 03, 2007 06:54 PM by robert7111a
Hi Kraz and Robert, Thanks for taking the time to read my posts. Different cameras process RAW in different ways to make JPEGs but a reasonable approximation of the process is: 1. adjust black and white points to the lowest and highest actual data values (move the sliders in in PS till there is actually some data on the histogram) 2. adjust contrast using something like an s-curve in PS 3. possibly change color space to something like sRGB, which looks better on screen but looses some color information 4. sharpen I don't know if that helps Kraz Robert, what you do sounds great. My joy with photography is that there is so much room for different approaches and there is no real need (though some do it) of describing some as right and some as wrong. It is all good. Happy shooting, Wayne
# Sunday, June 03, 2007 08:02 PM by wcosshall
Thank you Wayne and Robert. My camera is a Nikon D80 and I shoot recording in both RAW and JPEG. I read that RAW has much more since the file is so much larger, but when I compared the two untouched, the difference is amazing. JPEG does not look excessively saturated but very natural while RAW looks totally dull. If if is acceptable to post pictures in your blog, Wayne, I would post an example in a small format. I use PhotoShop to visualize and adjust the pictures if necessary. Thank you again for such an interesting topic. Marisa
# Sunday, June 03, 2007 09:55 PM by Kraz60
Hi Marisa, Don't know about posting it here but email me a reduced resolution pair and I'll have a look and email you back. wayne@dimagemaker.com Cheers, Wayne
# Monday, June 04, 2007 09:15 AM by wcosshall
Hi Kraz, Wayne and Marisa Marisa...I am a Canon user so don't know about Nikon...however all the reviews suggest that the D80 is an excellent camera. My RAWs come out ok most of the time...sometimes I just add a touch of saturation and/or contrast to give a little boost. I suppose much depends on what you're shooting. And as Wayne says, there is no "right or wrong" way, go with what you're happy with.
# Monday, June 04, 2007 01:53 PM by robert7111a
Wayne and I have talked about a lot of these issues elsewhere. If you are using Photoshop and ACR then you really need to get a book to learn how to process the RAW files. Inherently RAW files have vastly more information than a JPEG, indeed by using JPEG you throw away 93% of the data that the camera captures (on DSLR RAW files). Your final work from a RAW file will be much better than a jpeg, but only after you learn how to process the RAW. You are being fooled by the fact that your camera is making adjustments to the jpeg file, bumping saturation and sharpening, that it doesn't do to the RAW file. Raw is almost untouched by the camera processer. Basically my workflow is to load the file into ACR, tweak the exposure and black point sliders and then the brightness and contrast. I then load the file into Photoshop and run curves on a new layer to further adjust the photo followed by a light capture sharpening on the luminosity channel. All this takes maybe 1 minute per shot. ACR 4.1 is changing my workflow a bit but the above works on all versions of ACR. I don't know what the policy is about mentioning author's names on this site so I'll refrain from making book recomendations until Wayne gives the go-ahead. There are a number of good Photoshop books available tho. As for the base issue, I personally think any serious art photographer has to be both, a careful in-the-camera worker and also a skillful post processer. And in my experience you do not find people who do post processing who aren't also doing careful camera work. You can find a lot of people who say that they work hard at producing a perfect shot in camera and then send the file or fim off to be printed. So in my view it isn't one or the other. It's adding post processing or trusting your pea brained camera to do it all with help from the teenager running the photo machine down at the drugstore where you send your shots. I trust myself, Photoshop and my much more powerful computer to handle my work. BK
# Tuesday, June 05, 2007 02:27 PM by photoburner
I am an in camera photographer I consider myself a pro-sumer for now but working up to be a retired pro-sumer making dollars to help subsidize our simple and quiet retirement. People ask me why I take 20,000+ shots per year. Easy. I get more done programming my Canon's to take what I want to accomplish then I have done sitting for many hours in front of a computer trying to get one shot just right. This year I have already taken 17,000 shots with the Canon XTI, 2,500 with my HP point and shoot and about 2,000 experimental shots with my older Canon 300D and Pro90IS. How many times have I did post production this year ? 0. I get a lot of shots at different programmed settings in RAW and also good results in JPEG mode that I can use for just one composed shot. At the computer I have to sit and think about does this look better than this at post processing time and if not start over. Ya I do use filters ( mostly circular polarizer's and Infrared ) but that only enhances what I want to do right away and from my experience I get the shots better then the filters on the post processing software. At times I compose one shot and the presets give me a dozen or more shots that I can use. All the same composition but a different look. Lets see, about 2 or 3 minutes of composing and hitting a shutter. Sounds better than possibly working a computer for a long time to get one usable shot. Right now the only software I am using is Adobe Lightroom to store and road map what I have. Right now I use my HP Photoshop 7960 as my printer of choice. I have good luck with the 7960's internal knowledge to print what I want, how I want it and it has been doing a great job for several years now. Some day I hope to move up to the B9180 but then I will have to start using the computer a little I guess. Actualy Staples is doing a good job at the larger than 8.5 x 11's that I normally print on their HP printers at a good price.
# Tuesday, August 21, 2007 04:26 PM by mitchellp
I'd just add to this discussion the importance of finding an efficient workflow that suits you. For some work I like Lightroom. I use this for images that don't require a lot of work, such as the photography of my wife's paintings. However in most of my personal photography I use localised adjustments. For this I use Bridge and then Photoshop with adjustment layers, masks, etc.
# Tuesday, August 21, 2007 07:25 PM by wcosshall

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